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She is editor of The Black Prairie Archives: An Anthology, published by Wilfrid Laurier University Press in 2020 and a companion volume, Critical Readings in the Black Prairie Archives, which is forthcoming. With Winfried Siemerling (UWaterloo) she is working on a book project on the politics and aesthetics of relation of Black Canadian cultural achievement, including writing, music, film, and visual art.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eBertrand Bickersteth is a poet, playwright, essayist and educator who was born in Sierra Leone, raised in Alberta, partly educated in the U.K., and completely resident in the U.S. for several years. In 2021, CBC named him a Black writer to watch. His collection of poetry, The Response of Weeds, was a finalist for multiple awards and won the League of Canadian Poets’ Gerald Lampert Memorial Award, the Writers’ Guild of Alberta’s Stephan G. Stephansson Award for Poetry, and the 2021 High Plains Book Award in the category of First Book. He has been a contributor/columnist for CBC’s The Next Chapter as well as the CBC project Black on the Prairies. His most recent work was published in The Walrus (poetry) and The Sprawl (essay). His TEDx talk is called The Weight of Words. He is currently working on a new collection of poems highlighting the history of Black cowboys in western Canada. 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With Winfried Siemerling (UWaterloo) she is working on a book project on the politics and aesthetics of relation of Black Canadian cultural achievement, including writing, music, film, and visual art.\u003cbr /\u003e\u003cbr /\u003eBertrand Bickersteth is a poet, playwright, essayist and educator who was born in Sierra Leone, raised in Alberta, partly educated in the U.K., and completely resident in the U.S. for several years. In 2021, CBC named him a Black writer to watch. His collection of poetry, The Response of Weeds, was a finalist for multiple awards and won the League of Canadian Poets\u0026rsquo; Gerald Lampert Memorial Award, the Writers\u0026rsquo; Guild of Alberta\u0026rsquo;s Stephan G. Stephansson Award for Poetry, and the 2021 High Plains Book Award in the category of First Book. He has been a contributor/columnist for CBC\u0026rsquo;s The Next Chapter as well as the CBC project Black on the Prairies. His most recent work was published in The Walrus (poetry) and The Sprawl (essay). His TEDx talk is called The Weight of Words. He is currently working on a new collection of poems highlighting the history of Black cowboys in western Canada. He lives in Calgary, teaches at Olds College, and writes about Black identity on the Prairies.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://rightsstatements.org/page/InC/1.0/?language=en\"\u003eIn Copyright\u003c/a\u003e. 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welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=20.0,23.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm Sarah Kratz, the Interim Director of the Canadian Literature Centre at the University of Alberta,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=23.0,28.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which is located on Treaty 6 land and Region 4 of the Métis Nation of 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Umezurike.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=64.0,67.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uche Umezurike holds a PhD from the University of Alberta.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=67.0,72.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He is an award-winning literary critic with research interests in post-colonial and Black diaspora 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Sarah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=102.0,104.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's an honour for me to be sharing this space with two powerful writers and thinkers, Carina Vernon and Bertrand Bickersteth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=104.0,112.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've always admired their incredible work and the amazing interventions they do for Black literature and culture in 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His collection of poetry, The Response of Weeds,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=213.0,221.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was a finalist for multiple awards and won the League of Canadian Poets' Gerard Lampert Memorial Award,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=221.0,229.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Writers Guild of Alberta's Stéphane Singh Award for Poetry, and the 2021 High Place Book Award in the category of First Book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=229.0,239.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He has been a contributor slash columnist for CBC's The Next Chapter, as well as the CBC Project's Black on the Prairies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=239.0,248.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"His most recent work was published in The Walrus Poetry, and his final essay is TED Talks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=248.0,256.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's called The Weight of Words, and you can watch it on YouTube.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=256.0,261.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bertrand is currently working on a new collection of poetry highlighting the history of Black cowboys in Western Canada,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=261.0,267.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I believe he's going to share an excerpt from that work this afternoon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=267.0,273.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He lives in Calgary, teaches at Oates College, and writes about Black identity on the prairies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=273.0,279.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Please join me in welcoming Karina Vernon and Bertrand Bickerstaff to share their amazing works with us. 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But thank you, Karina, for reminding me of that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=1432.929,1439.729"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very important character. Thank you so much for that reading. And yeah, that was a great pairing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=1439.729,1448.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you so much for like, following that river, I guess. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=1448.77,1456.45"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, you inspired it. I had not remembered that Dan Williams text for a long time. And you reading","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=1456.45,1466.29"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it in that poetic way just evoked it. It seemed necessary for me to respond. It was wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=1466.29,1472.21"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wonderful. Yeah. So I see you both as memory keepers and the way you conjure the past to show","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=1472.21,1480.929"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"how it's connected to this moment and then this future. 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I think that phrase really embodies,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=1540.29,1546.689"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"goes to the heart of what it means to do archival work, to bring out of the archives","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=1546.689,1553.09"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"these documents that attest to such a long Black presence on the prairies. 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But when I like, now that I'm on the other side and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=1634.049,1639.97"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the book is out and I think about what have been like the main difficulties, the main challenges","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=1639.97,1645.09"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of the project, for me, it's been the question of responsibility. 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That's it in a nutshell.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2169.979,2178.539"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, there's so much to unpack from all these insights you've shared with me and everyone","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2179.819,2187.34"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"here present. I was just thinking about the kind of interweaving links between narratives, history,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2187.34,2195.9"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"even alienation, and how Blackness seems to weave itself through these connections.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2197.34,2210.06"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It got me into a space to really think about a lot and I hope I can do some writing out of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2212.939,2220.62"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"this wealth of personal and public","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2221.34,2224.699"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"knowledge you've shared. I feel very humbled by","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2227.659,2230.3"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the depth and the richness of this conversation and I'm saying this with all sincerity and I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2232.939,2239.74"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"really appreciate what you've just offered me because I'm barely six years old, living in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2239.74,2248.219"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Canada. In the last few years, I've been thinking while being cocooned in academic,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2248.219,2258.06"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but I've also been thinking about what it means to be here and what it means to be ordered because","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2258.06,2264.139"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"back home in Africa, no one orders you and we really don't think about racism or Blackness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2264.139,2270.219"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We think in terms of maybe ethnicity for Nigeria, Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa, and then the other ethnic","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2270.219,2277.5"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"groups. Of course, we're all the same color and maybe different shades of skin color, but then","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2277.5,2284.86"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we're not contained or even constrained by racist ideologies or structures. Thank you very much for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2287.74,2295.34"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sharing all this. I also wanted to just add something too that Karina brought to mind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2295.34,2299.979"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I love the receipts as well and thank you for that. That's so true, that's so true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2300.78,2306.379"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you say you got your books and you saw your book, yeah, but I want to tell you that when I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2307.259,2315.099"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"got your book, I felt the same way as well and I think that's the value too that we don't understand","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2315.099,2322.539"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about our writings and going through the archives and things like that. I think that, and Uche,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2322.539,2327.899"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"this links to what you just said too, I think because on this continent, Blackness just orders","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2327.899,2333.26"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you instantly. You're just thrown into this order instantly. 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Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2347.899,2354.459"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm terribly moved by what you said, both of you. Well, the book is a community, right? That's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2355.339,2363.5"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"what it is. It's a community and it's trying to show the links between us, I think. You know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2363.5,2371.019"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the link that you talked about, Bertrand, that reading Daniel Williams' writing pulled writing","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2371.019,2377.5"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"out of you and I did feel as I was in the archives and looking for writers that I was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2377.5,2386.06"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"finding kin, you know, not blood kin but literary kin, spatial kin and so it is a community. That's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2387.099,2396.3"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"how I think about it. It is, I agree. I think of it that way as well, yeah. This is our community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2396.3,2403.419"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I just want to thank you, thank all three of you for this amazing, illuminating conversation and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2404.38,2411.979"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Karina and Bertrand for your readings. I was so excited. I've been so excited about this event,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2411.979,2418.62"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, partly because I'm living in Alberta and it does just deepen and add these complexities","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2418.62,2429.18"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to my own sense of this place and what it means to be here to, you know, to read a book like this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2430.06,2437.579"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I grew up on the prairies too in Manitoba. Yeah, I just, I really appreciate this work and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2437.579,2444.14"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I love the idea of an anthology as a community too in this context. It's so meaningful. I was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2444.14,2451.099"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"struck also as someone who has, myself, I've done work on the intersections between literature and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2451.099,2460.94"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"mapping in Canada and the expanding settlement and, you know, these expeditions. You mentioned,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2460.94,2467.979"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, Daniel Williams was part of the Palliser expedition and these expeditions that were framed","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2467.979,2473.5"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"as sort of, you know, at least retrospectively kind of part of this white settler legacy, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2474.14,2481.74"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they were never white, like they were never, they were always diverse, these expeditions and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2482.539,2487.979"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"these communities that were sort of moving in these ways across the land and relating in very","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2487.979,2492.94"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"different ways to the land. So I was just also really moved by your reading, Karina, of that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2492.94,2502.539"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"text from Williams, you know, which is so profoundly engaged with the landscape and the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2502.62,2510.459"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"climate and all of that. What I wondered, and I want to ask this of both of you, and I know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2510.459,2516.459"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uche, this is something you're thinking about in your postdoctoral work too, I think, but I was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2516.459,2520.62"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"wondering about how, you know, in thinking about spatial justice and these stories that are so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2520.62,2529.899"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"important to kind of draw out in order to create a certain kind of new spatial justice,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2529.899,2538.219"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"how you have considered that relationship between Black Canadian history and Black writers in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2539.099,2546.3"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Canada and Indigenous sovereignties in these same spaces. So I don't know if you, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2546.3,2554.06"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm sure if there's particular moments where you encountered, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2554.86,2559.5"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"thinking that through in both of your work, because I know you do think both very much","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2562.219,2568.06"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about land, so I'd love to hear you talk about it. This is a really important question, Sarah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2568.06,2573.579"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and gosh, I don't know, where should I begin thinking about it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2573.579,2578.7"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For me, this was one of the hardest things to think through. Well, just even thinking about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2579.019,2583.019"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/370","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dan Williams on that, on that, on that land. He's writing himself into a relationship with the land,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2583.019,2592.06"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but the land is Indigenous land. He's revealing his non-Indigeneity in that, in that piece of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2593.099,2599.339"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"writing, his unfamiliarity, and that's totally clear. He doesn't know that land, he doesn't know","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2599.339,2605.899"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the way the seasons move. He's displaced. At the same time, it's very hard to think through","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2606.06,2617.019"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"questions of Black effective relationship to place, because that is also stolen land at the same time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2617.019,2626.459"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So one of the things that the archive shows me again and again is how Black folks","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2628.459,2633.18"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"displaced from Africa, right, and then often further displaced on Turtle Island, within,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2633.659,2641.659"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"within the continent, have moved into deep and abiding relationships with particular geographies,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2641.659,2649.579"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/378","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but it's always fraught, right, it's always fraught because that land is stolen. And so one of the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2650.14,2658.459"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/379","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"challenges of thinking about Black being, and being long on the prairies is, how do we move into,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2659.019,2667.82"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"how do we think about Black belonging on the prairies, while also uplifting Indigenous","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2670.06,2674.7"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sovereignty over ancestral lands, on ancestral lands, and thinking about that relationship that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2674.7,2681.82"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/382","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is, I think that's such a key, and thinking about that relationship, and also thinking about Black","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2682.14,2691.579"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/383","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Afro-Indigenous identities on the prairies, too, that it's, it's the story is way more complex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2691.579,2696.86"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/384","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"than it seems, and it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2696.86,2706.38"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/385","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ronting identities, and they're way more complicated, way more complicated than I initially understood when I began the research, um, like you say, Sarah, relationships have been triangulated in all kinds of ways, like Black folks were there on the ground floor,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2707.39,2721.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/386","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in many instances of the colonial project, and how do you think that through? Um, yeah, that, that's, I carry that question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2721.77,2731.769"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/387","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't think there's much I can add to that, frankly, I mean, that is it in a nutshell, the question of Black belonging, and I suppose to a certain extent I was hinting at this with my previous response to spatial justice, that, you know, engaging some of these","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2731.769,2747.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/388","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"narratives just to belong to a narrative that was produced through a colonial project, you know, I now can become complicit in that project. And indeed, as Karina pointed out, when Black presences first emerge, um, in contact with Indigenous communities,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2747.77,2768.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/389","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"often it's through the encountering of white people and bringing that colonial project about. And so, um, yeah, from the start, the hint of that complicity is already there, it's already there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2768.77,2783.769"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, Black people and the history of Black presences is obviously more complicated than, you know, we were just along with white people and so we're just as bad or whatever, right? It's much more complicated than that. And there are even some people who claim that, um, you know, there, there is no issue when it comes to Black people being on Turtle Island, because it was not their, of their doing or of their making to begin with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2783.769,2810.769"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But still, there are responsibilities, we still have to think through, we can't just leave it at that. And so yes, I find it a very difficult question. I agree with Karina that we should try to find ways of mining those archives, expunging the negative things or expelling the negative things and portraying or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2810.769,2834.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/392","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"representing those histories that have been missed before, but always with a mind to raising awareness or simply raising Indigenous experiences and histories as well. And that is just tricky because part of those things that we are involved in were part of the colonial project. They simply were.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2834.77,2857.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/393","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was also going to talk about the Afro-Indigenous connections as well, but Karina's also mentioned that as part of the complex interwoven relationships that we're talking about here. Yeah, very complex, and it's part of what I struggle with in terms of simplicity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2858.77,2874.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/394","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you both for reflecting on that. And yeah, I mean, I think what both of you have said really underscores how important it is to read, you know, these texts that undo the sort of binaries of, you know, how we think about some of these dynamics too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2874.77,2895.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/395","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because as you say, it's a complicated, very complicated sort of set of relationships and histories intersecting in these ways.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2895.77,2908.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/396","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Also thinking about what Bertrand said about writing as an assertion of belonging, and even doing research as an assertion of belonging, you know, you use this phrase Bertrand, you know, to prove I belong. I'm not sure that I do feel I belong on the prairies at the end of it, at the end of the day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2909.77,2929.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/397","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That hasn't been what this project has been for me at all. Although I say, like, I want to drop the receipts and show, it's not in order to prove a kind of belonging to region or nation, because that, you know, those formations to me are colonial.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2930.77,2948.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/398","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I don't have any desire, in a way, to belong to that kind of formation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2948.77,2956.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/399","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think my belonging is to the archive, right? My belonging is to this network of writing, and this network of history. And that's my place of belonging. I guess that's how I feel in the end.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2956.77,2975.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/400","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Like I said, I'll only add that I too don't know that I belong on the prairie. But the desire to prove was the childhood feeling that I had. That's why I call her my unwilling muse, for sure. She's not sure I belong here either. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2975.77,2991.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/401","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you all. And just quickly, my question kind of flows from that, because again, I'm struck by these frameworks and by the troubling of the sort of crusty old frameworks. And I'm just thinking of right now and the convoys in Alberta, and it just seems like everything that you're saying is so especially important.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=2991.77,3009.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/402","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, okay, my question is about, you know, Dr. Vernon, in your book, one of the things that struck me most was your definition of the archive as a network of relations, of social relations. And I think, you know, we see that so powerfully in this conversation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=3009.77,3025.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/403","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it just strikes me, you know, when I think about networks of relations, about the framework of the treaty, and of the treaties in the prairies, and how, you know, I think I've been trying to come to an understanding of that beyond these like government documents that were about ceding land, and that instead were about an extension of relationship. And I'm just wondering if that framework has been important to you, or if you've seen that in the archives anywhere? Yeah, if that's something to think about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=3025.77,3053.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/404","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The treaties, thinking through treaties, has been important to me, but in a very different way, because I've been thinking about the ways in which Europeans have gone to different places around the world and have established these treaties as a way of creating, of space making for themselves. And so personally, I have been thinking a lot about Sierra Leone and its encounters with Europeans.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=3053.77,3078.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/405","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I've been thinking about the ways in which we have, we share histories, Canada and Sierra Leone, Black histories, in fact, we also share truth and reconciliation processes as well. And much of the ways in which we as social, but policymaking beings strive to account, to be accountable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=3078.77,3100.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/406","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I'm just gonna leave it at that. I haven't really applied it to my Black Alberta specifically, that thinking. But in terms of a diasporic and African diasporic exploration, I absolutely have been, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=3100.77,3112.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/407","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thanks for the question, Kibi. That's a wonderful way to conceptualize treaty, not as, because they have been read by settlers as documents that cleave Indigenous people permanently, on a permanent basis from their ancestral lands. And as in my reading, they were never, never understood that way by the people who were negotiating treaty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=3113.77,3140.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/408","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so I like that way of thinking about treaty as relation. That's really moving, and a really important reframing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=3141.77,3148.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/409","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'll have to think about how that understanding of treaty might open up ways of thinking about long standing Blackness on the prairies too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=3150.77,3162.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/410","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What is the relationship of treaty to Black folks? I've never presumed to be included in that relationship, in that original relationship as it was originally imagined.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=3163.77,3179.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/411","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But now my conversation with folks, I wonder if there's room to think about spatial justice, I guess, to use that, to bring that phrase back into it, in new ways, in a way to like renew, renew those relationships with an understanding of how long Black communities have been on the prairies too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=3180.77,3203.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/412","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If, quickly, you can just share if there are instances of Black joy you found in the archives, because I'm not, I don't want to think about the negative, like Bertrand mentioned, the negative, how we need to expunge the negative and the historical colonial violence, but are there instances of Black joy that you are uncovering in the archives?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=3204.77,3228.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/413","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are, there are, certainly. If there had been time, there's a poem that I actually did write a long time ago, which deals exactly with this. I think part of this is actually in Windows of Our Memories, one of the volumes, but there is a description of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=3229.77,3243.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/414","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it's a description of what Caruthers describes, the Caruthers family, one of these major families who, one of the pioneering Black pioneering families of northern Alberta, describes their get-togethers, just the casual get-togethers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=3243.77,3257.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/415","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And she talks about the parties they would hold, and I'm actually just trying to pull up my quote just to see here. They would talk about the fish or rabbit on the pot, the parties they would hold, the love they held for each other, the dances that they did, and the language that it's all described in is every other sentence ends in baby.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=3257.77,3284.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/416","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the parties we had, baby, the fish we had, rabbit on the pot, honey, and it goes on and on like that, and it just sounds joyful. I mean, it's fantastic. So there's not time for us to go in depth into it, but it's that kind of thing. Yes, they're out there for sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=3284.77,3300.77"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/417","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you all, everyone who joined us today for sharing a little bit of your Friday afternoon with us. Carina and Bertrand, thank you so much for your readings. Uche, thank you for your conversation and prompts today, and it was just such a pleasure to listen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666#t=3300.77,3318.77"}]},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86394/file/174666/transcript/78868/annotation/418","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/078/868/original/whisper_transcript_2025-04-25_16_32_04_-0500.vtt?1745616724","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/078/868/original/whisper_transcript_2025-04-25_16_32_04_-0500.vtt?1745616724"}]}]}]}