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Alberta.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90061/file/186282#t=20.0,26.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90061/file/186282/transcript/78920/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would just like to acknowledge our location before we begin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90061/file/186282#t=26.0,31.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90061/file/186282/transcript/78920/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the University of Alberta is located on Treaty 6 land and also the land of the Métis and the Papa's Chase Nation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90061/file/186282#t=31.0,39.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90061/file/186282/transcript/78920/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So today I won't be doing the introduction.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90061/file/186282#t=40.0,45.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90061/file/186282/transcript/78920/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I will leave that honour to Tom Wharton who is a Professor of Creative Writing here in the English 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lyricism,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90061/file/186282#t=3352.87,3356.87"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90061/file/186282/transcript/78920/annotation/756","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and not in sort of this hyperbolic selfhood that just imposes itself in the poetry,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90061/file/186282#t=3356.87,3363.87"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90061/file/186282/transcript/78920/annotation/757","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but 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