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Well, all right, we've recorded this forever, so she'll know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90059/file/186284#t=67.0,72.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90059/file/186284/transcript/78917/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I'd also like to thank Jennifer Cockrell-King, who is the Chairwoman of the LitFest board, for all of her work as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90059/file/186284#t=73.0,82.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90059/file/186284/transcript/78917/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Make sure that you do check out the LitFest 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