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Known to many as Anishinaabemowin,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=28.559,35.119"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Edmonton is located on Treaty 6 Territory and Region 4 of the Métis Nation of Alberta.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=35.119,41.68"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wherever you may be, we hope you enjoy this chance to connect with authors from across","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=41.68,46.56"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=46.56,51.36"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Today's podcast reading and conversation brings together two captivating and innovative","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=51.36,56.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"authors, Téa Matonji and J.L. 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It's bizarre because my life up until this point has always been","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=671.58,677.7"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"extremely chaotic. And since Shut Up, You're Pretty and being on tour and all that, it's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=677.7,684.02"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"just gone so much quieter. 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I'm doing that, I think, now with my new book","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=737.14,741.979"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with my characters, but let's not talk too much about that because it might never get","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=741.979,745.7"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"published. We don't know. I'm just interested in the idea that, like, I guess I know there","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=745.7,753.5"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"are books that move slowly, right? I know there are books that just happen. I think","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=753.5,757.82"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they must just happen. I think it's strange to hear someone say, like, I'm intentionally","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=757.82,762.219"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"moving slowly because I'm always like, oh, I've been bored for 30 pages of my own book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=762.219,767.26"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Something's got to happen. I got to put something in it. 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So foolish. You look at your and someone was like,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=1937.379,1943.48"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"why would like why would you put someone through so much?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=1943.48,1946.68"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Like why would you deliberately write a character that goes through","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=1946.68,1950.78"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I'm like because that's the literal world that she was like put in and I wanted to just like you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=1950.78,1955.78"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I wanted to be realistic about it. 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And then my friend messages me and said,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=2826.668,2833.149"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/511","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hey, I know you're not on social media. But do you want to know before you go back? Because it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=2833.149,2837.869"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/512","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was like my Friday to go back online. 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And some are like,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3058.109,3062.348"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/553","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"nah, thanks. I'd rather imagine a great, a new future. And that's okay. 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And also just having space to sort of, like, have those two truths be, like, right at the same","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3072.348,3078.908"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/556","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"time, like being sort of like at the forefront. 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You cannot control the wish to want more for your book or more,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3399.309,3406.268"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/607","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"want more visibility. But what I, what I can control is how I write and the process with","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3406.268,3414.268"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/608","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which I approach the book. 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But it was more about realizing like, what is it about the award season","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3461.549,3467.549"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/618","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that I can enjoy? And what is it about award season that's just like not worth carrying around","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3467.549,3473.388"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/619","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with you for any amount of time? Yeah. 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Whether that's like getting involved at festivals near you or getting","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3554.268,3559.789"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/634","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"involved at your alma mater, if that's a thing, or building communities of writers, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3559.789,3565.148"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/635","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"get into these spaces where people are going to want to support you because of who you are,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3565.708,3571.468"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/636","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"as well as your writing. And that can feel like, you know what, I may not have won the award, but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3571.468,3576.028"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/637","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've like these people, my sister did a book club with my book. 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But for me, I feel very much like it's important if I want this to be, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3591.629,3599.309"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/641","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a lonely thing. So you do it by yourself. I pull myself away from my husband and my son to write.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3599.319,3604.039"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/642","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And while that's good, I like doing that. 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That's that's all kind of my I like to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3622.759,3627.479"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/646","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"think about that. Yeah. I mean, I'm I definitely struggle with that because I actually you're such","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3627.479,3634.199"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/647","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a good thinker, like so so funny. You're such a good business when it comes to this. 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I'm definitely not","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3639.639,3643.879"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/649","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that strong when it comes to sort of like marketing myself in that way or putting myself out there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3643.879,3648.598"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/650","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I really need to get better at that. But I think that, you know, the thing about writing is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3648.598,3654.519"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/651","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"financially is sort of like not the greatest thing. So, of course, when it comes to awards,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3654.519,3659.479"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/652","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm like, I would. Yes, I would. I'd give me that money. I love that. It's a great idea.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3659.479,3665.158"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/653","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Just give it to me. If anyone wants to just give you that, just do it. Yeah, for sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3665.158,3668.838"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/654","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But there is sort of like such an insane privilege to be able to write comfortably and to to take","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3669.958,3677.079"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/655","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that time and that space. So it's really hard for me to think of the word stuff when I'm writing","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3677.079,3683.399"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/656","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because I'm busy thinking of like, well, how much hours of work am I going to have to do to like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3683.399,3687.958"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/657","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"afford rent this month and like these little things. So I try to leave the awards behind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3688.679,3694.198"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/658","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I know. Yeah, there's a real privilege to to writing and there's a privilege that can happen","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3694.198,3701.238"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/659","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in writing that we don't often talk about either, where, you know, if you have a spouse who perhaps","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3701.238,3706.679"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/660","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"generates a like consistent and higher income, then maybe that makes more time for you to write.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3706.679,3711.479"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/661","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If you have a full time job that's flexible and allows you to write in a way that other full","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3711.878,3715.479"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/662","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"time jobs may not. There's all these sorts of things where awards can feel stressful on a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3715.479,3720.918"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/663","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"privilege level because it can feel like if I just got the Geller, then I would be able to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3720.918,3726.119"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/664","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"write for a year and get a book out faster. Like it feels like the process is faster.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3726.119,3731.958"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/665","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I guess, you know, I would just advise people to build a like I never expect to make enough","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3731.958,3737.479"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/666","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"money off my books. Yes. The lesson learned. Not looking for any award to help you that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3737.479,3745.479"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/667","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So like to build a life that's predictable and to allow the amount of time it takes to write","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3747.158,3751.718"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/668","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"your book to be the amount of time it takes to write your book. 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You know, it took me eight years to write God or Child because it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3766.839,3772.199"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/672","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"required eight years to write God or Child. There were things I had to learn. There were things I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3772.199,3775.639"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/673","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had to do. There were things that had to happen in the world, honestly, for me to grow up and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3775.639,3780.759"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/674","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"make some important choices. And so I just encourage people really build your life, your","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3780.759,3786.919"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/675","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"books at a pace that you can manage. Try and only take contracts that give you that kind of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3786.919,3791.718"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/676","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"flexibility and peace of mind, because if you take it saying like this book has to come out in a year","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3791.718,3796.598"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/677","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for your next advance and you're waiting for that in order to do like eat, like that can feel really","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3796.598,3802.438"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/678","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"stressful, obviously. Yeah. So I guess that's like in terms of wrapping up with advice, I always like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3802.438,3808.759"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/679","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to wrap up with advice. I would just say, you know, write because because you love it. Corny, I know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3808.759,3814.919"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/680","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But also just give yourself the time emotionally, financially, spiritually, etc. to write the book","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3814.919,3821.798"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/681","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"as you need to. Yeah. Time is great. Taking advantage of time is so important. I feel like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3821.798,3828.279"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/682","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that's a great way to to end. I'm taking my time. What are you doing next? I am working on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3828.279,3836.039"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/683","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I am working on a follow up, a sequel to God or Child. And then I also know, I think,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3837.878,3845.958"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/684","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"kind of what the next book is. So I'm really excited. I'm now in a good place where I feel","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3845.958,3849.878"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/685","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like I'm moving through, you know, we started by talking about my obsession with process. I've","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3849.958,3854.679"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/686","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"built this process where I like I feel like I'm in a good place. And I also feel like the thing","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3854.679,3859.319"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/687","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that's coming after, like I've got the time and space to to get there in a way that is comfortable","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3859.319,3866.278"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/688","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and healthy. Yeah, that's awesome. You know what, I'm just trying to be","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3867.158,3875.319"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/689","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"alive. That was such a weird segway. I'm just enjoying being here right now. I'm","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3876.278,3883.319"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/690","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"yes, I'm writing my book. And yes, I'm in school. And in between that I'm just trying to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3883.319,3887.799"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/691","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"find joy in life and do things that make me happy. That's sort of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3888.838,3892.438"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/692","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"publishing can wait for a second sort of where I'm at right now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3893.959,3897.079"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/693","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, if you see any famous people in New York while you're there, you know, just tell them I say","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3898.118,3901.718"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/694","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"hey, and give them a copy of Gutter Child and Shut Up, You're Pretty and we'll be good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3901.718,3906.838"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/695","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Great. I'll make sure I say bye. Hi to Matt if I see him from Bachelor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3911.079,3914.919"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/696","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you for chatting with me. Every time I chat with you,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3916.118,3918.919"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/697","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I sort of get lost in this conversation. I want it to never end.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3918.919,3921.959"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/698","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, thank you for for joining me. Thank you, those of you who are listening for joining us","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3923.639,3928.278"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/699","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on the podcast. You can find me. I'll give you some of my handles and exciting information. If","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3928.278,3935.158"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/700","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you want to follow up with this, you can find me at J A E L Richardson on Twitter and Instagram.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3935.158,3943.079"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/701","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And you can find my website at jlrichardson.com. If you're a teacher, there is an educator guide","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3943.079,3948.598"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/702","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to go with Gutter Child. So if you're interested in looking at it, teaching in the class,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3948.598,3952.998"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/703","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"head to jlrichardson.com forward slash writing. And I am available on Twitter and Instagram at","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3952.998,3960.438"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/704","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tia Mutangi. I don't I don't think I'm available elsewhere. I have a TikTok, but Larry don't use it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3960.438,3967.479"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/705","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So feel free to follow at your own risk. And if you speak French, my French version's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3967.479,3974.519"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/706","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"currently out. So go out and buy it. It's at Indigo from what I know so far","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3974.519,3978.359"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/707","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and small bookstores in Montreal. So have fun. Read it en français.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3978.359,3981.718"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/708","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thanks. Congratulations. Bye.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3983.479,3985.878"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/709","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was JL Richardson and Tia Mutangi in conversation in the fall of 2021.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3990.598,3996.359"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/710","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This brown bag lunch podcast was produced by the Canadian Literature Centre","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=3999.158,4003.558"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/711","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with funding from the Canada Council for the Arts. It was edited by Claire Peters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=4003.558,4009.158"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/712","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Music composed and performed by Bruce Ziff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=4009.799,4012.438"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/713","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The CLC's programming is also made possible by generous financial support from Dr. Eric Schloss","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669#t=4013.479,4019.718"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/86397/file/174669/transcript/78877/annotation/714","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and from the Faculty of Arts at the University of Alberta. 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