{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/8911n80981/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Podcast: A Conversation on Fire with Hari Alluri, Michelle Porter, and Alice Major"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/128/original/UA_Logo_WHT_RGB_%281%29.png?1725471982","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Alluri, Hari (Author)","Porter, Michelle (Author)","Major, Alice (Host)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["2023-11-29 (issued)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["Centre for Literatures in Canada","Centre de littératures au Canada"]}},{"label":{"en":["Coverage"]},"value":{"en":["Canada--Alberta--Fort McMurray (spatial)","Canada--British Columbia--Coast Salish Territory (spatial)","Canada--British Columbia--Hecate Island (spatial)","Canada--Manitoba","Canada--Newfoundland and Labrador (spatial)","Canada--Saskatchewan (spatial)","India (spatial)","Nigeria (spatial)","Palestine (spatial)","The Philippines (spatial)","2016 Fort McMurray/Horse River wildfire (temporal)","2023 wildfire season (temporal)","2023 Israeli bombardment on Gaza (temporal)","Hindutva under Narendra Modi (temporal)","Dark Ages 700 CE (temporal)","Ancient India --Vedic Period 1500-500 BCE (temporal)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["Alice Major has published eleven collections of poetry, two novels for young adults, and an award-winning collection of essays about poetry and science. Alice is the founder of the Edmonton Poetry Festival, was the first poet laureate of Edmonton, and the past president of both the Writers Guild of Alberta and the League of Canadian Poets.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eHari Alluri (he/him/siya [pronounced sha]) is an uninvited migrant poet of Philippine and South Asian descent living, writing, and working on unceded Coast Salish territories of the Musqueam, Squamish and Tsleil-Waututh peoples, and Kwantlen, Katzie and Kwikwetlem lands of Hən̓q̓əmin̓əm̓-speaking peoples. Author of The Flayed City (Kaya Press), chapbook Our Echo of Sudden Mercy (Next Page Press) and, forthcoming in 2025, Like a Feather Holds the Sky (Brick Books), he is a co-founding editor at Locked Horn Press, a workshop facilitator, and a bookseller at Massy Books. His award-winning work can be found in journals, anthologies, and online.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eDr. Michelle Porter is a writer and scholar from Alberta and living in Newfoundland and Labrador. She is the descendent of a long line of Métis storytellers. Many of her ancestors (the Goulet family) told stories using music and today she tells stories using the written word. She is the author of Approaching Fire, Scratching River. Her first novel, A Grandmother Begins the Story (Penguin 2023), was a finalist for the Atwood-Gibson Writers’ Trust Award for Fiction in 2023. Her first book of poetry, Inquiries, was shortlisted for the Pat Lowther Memorial Award for Best Book of Poetry, Canada 2019 and was a finalist for the E.J. Pratt Poetry Award 2021. 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Hoffman--fire ecology (topical)","lightning (topical)","Louis Goulet--Vanishing Spaces: Memoirs of a Prairie Métis (oral history) (topical)","Mahabharata (epic)-- Khandava-daha Parva (topical)","Mahmoud Darwish--The Tragedy of Narcissus The Comedy of Silver (poem) (topical)","Métis--family history--Goulet (topical)","Métis--fire knowledge (topical)","Métis--generations (topical)","Métis--music--fiddle (topical)","Métis--Red River Echoes (topical)","multilingualism (topical)","poetry--and failure (topical)","poetry--in translation (topical)","poetry--Palestinian (topical)","racism (topical)","tarot--JL Umipig--Kapwa Tarot (topical)","tarot--numerology (topical)","smoke (topical)","storytelling--as social responsibility (topical)","storytelling--generational relations to (topical)","storytelling--simplification and sentimentality (topical)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Biography","Podcast","Poetry"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://rightsstatements.org/page/InC/1.0/?language=en\"\u003eIn Copyright\u003c/a\u003e. 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She is the descendent of a long line of Métis storytellers. Many of her ancestors (the Goulet family) told stories using music and today she tells stories using the written word. She is the author of Approaching Fire, Scratching River. Her first novel, A Grandmother Begins the Story (Penguin 2023), was a finalist for the Atwood-Gibson Writers’ Trust Award for Fiction in 2023. Her first book of poetry, Inquiries, was shortlisted for the Pat Lowther Memorial Award for Best Book of Poetry, Canada 2019 and was a finalist for the E.J. Pratt Poetry Award 2021. She teaches creative writing at Memorial University in Newfoundland."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://rightsstatements.org/page/InC/1.0/?language=en\"\u003eIn Copyright\u003c/a\u003e. 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And if the fire doesn't come, the buffalo won't come.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2222.798,2227.518"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that speaks, like, so a part of the book, I retell a little bit of his oral history, but I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2228.557,2237.997"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"juxtapose it with very short prose poetry. And I tell about,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2238.877,2243.758"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"comparing his, you know, some of the smoke, the haze, the trying to figure it out with me","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2246.317,2250.717"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"negotiating the other end of intergenerational trauma. And so I pull those two things together,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2250.717,2256.078"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and have turned to the ancestors into their descriptions of essentially not being afraid","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2256.638,2263.918"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of fire, not trying to stop it, not trying to suppress it, letting it burn. 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And a lot of the instability that can come with that. And it's my generation,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2351.277,2357.197"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"who bears that responsibility of letting that fire burn, so that that next generation can come on up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2357.918,2364.878"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that's, that's, that was the key learning for me as I as I wrote that book, as I wrote this book","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2364.878,2373.118"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and began to pull from the past and look toward that future. 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One of the stories that troubles me,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2614.318,2621.918"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/383","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is a story in which Agni, the deity, embodiment of fire,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2623.038,2633.597"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/384","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is like, exhausted from all the ghee that these like, Brahmins have been placing for this long,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2634.558,2643.197"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/385","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"long ritual that has Agni feeling like exhausted and needing and suppressed by that and needing","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2643.757,2651.678"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/386","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to burn out. 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And then at the same time, you've got this other,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2754.248,2758.408"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/403","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like, like, set of cleansing relationship, like a clearing of land to make way for a city,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2759.208,2767.607"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/404","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which can be, which can be like, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2767.607,2771.128"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/405","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm always fascinated by how stories can be so multi dimensional themselves that they contain","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2772.088,2781.368"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/406","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"all these different threads and emotional resonances. And that one is not one I was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2781.368,2790.647"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/407","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"familiar with, Hari, but obviously, I'm going to have to go and look up Agni and, and that whole","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2790.647,2798.247"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/408","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"section of the epic. Absolutely. So it'll, you'll find it in multiple places. Yeah, yeah. Thank,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2798.328,2805.847"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/409","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"thank you so much for that. That's illuminating as fire should be. I'm,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2805.847,2812.008"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/410","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can I ask about the ash a little bit? I was, I love, yes, please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2812.728,2816.408"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/411","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That much, like, I don't know the origins of it, you know, but I know that my, my, my pops","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2818.647,2826.647"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/412","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"holds it as sacred. And I know that he has attended, like, attended ceremonies in which,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2826.647,2835.847"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/413","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like, and again, this shows exactly how little I know, in which something sacred is burnt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2836.407,2843.287"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/414","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the ash, it might, you know, it might be as simple as sandalwood, because it's like,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2844.008,2849.287"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/415","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the ash itself is like a fragrant, beautiful ash that he's, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2849.287,2854.487"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/416","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It may be of the plants, or the seeds that only grow in ash. 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And I'm thinking, so I was, you know, I literally looked it up, and I was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2932.487,2941.528"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/428","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"thinking about ash, and it's one of the purposes of this, of this ash is to remind us of the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2941.528,2951.047"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/429","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"temporary nature of the material world, you know, and fire does that, does that remind us, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2951.287,2960.648"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/430","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And let me know, I do have a,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2963.608,2965.367"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/431","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we all end up with favorites, when, when you come from, like, multi, especially in Firenea,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2968.008,2973.048"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/432","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"if you come from, like, three different pantheons, you end up with favorite deities,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2973.608,2977.928"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/433","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, and, and, like, you know, the, especially the Shiva Parvati, like,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2978.567,2984.888"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/434","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"multiple, who's, like, multiply gendered, and, like, the dancing of creation,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2984.888,2991.527"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/435","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, to, to have creation be a dance is beautiful to me. And also to think about, like,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=2993.208,3000.247"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/436","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because Shiva is both creator and destroyer, and then to have this, like,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3000.247,3005.208"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/437","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"active, placing ash in our Florence as a reminder of that, I think is,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3007.608,3011.847"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/438","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one thing I do, I will say, like, I have as a favorite, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3012.648,3016.888"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/439","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. 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So if we don't have little fires, regularly,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3049.208,3055.127"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/444","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you have all the material to create big fires that are hotter, that are, that do more damage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3055.127,3061.608"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/445","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And recently, I've read Jean Vaillant's Fire Weather. 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I'm sorry, I just, I'm just bubbling over","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3121.928,3128.567"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/454","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in the background. I'm just trying to find it. There's just something you said, Michelle, that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3128.567,3134.728"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/455","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like sparks me. Okay. Two, two, two things that were really sparked by that. 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You know, like the seeds will not open without the fire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3151.608,3159.448"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/458","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so, you know, and, and these are some of the oldest trees at all. You know, they're definitely","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3160.087,3166.648"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/459","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"some of the oldest living trees on the planet. And so I found, I found that, like, I love that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3166.648,3171.687"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/460","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I love that knowing that it gets carried there. 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I'll choose one for now, because I think the other one I'll keep for, for later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3188.168,3194.807"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/463","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, I'll read them both, because they fit the moment. One is, if fire wasn't a lonely thing,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3197.127,3203.208"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/464","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it wouldn't be everywhere we look. And I'm, I'm thinking about how now this is like this,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3203.208,3210.727"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/465","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that scientific transition, but like, literally, and I know other people have said this better","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3211.288,3217.687"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/466","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"than me. But literally, everything here is like a transmutation of star matter. 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And I will just add to that, that plants basically invented fire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3271.208,3277.848"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/475","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fire is something that really appears in the geological record. After plant,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3278.807,3285.687"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/476","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"plants have evolved, especially land plants on the on the planet. 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And sorry,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3301.208,3307.288"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/479","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"just related to that in my, in my novel, grandmother begins the story,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3309.047,3313.367"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/480","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which is, by the way, I've started to read it the way that you've got these multiple voices","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3314.408,3320.088"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/481","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"starting at the beginning, or like, like the, there's a ferocity to the to that opening. 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Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3326.008,3329.607"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/483","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in it, I give non human voice alongside the humans and grassland is a voice that is waiting","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3331.367,3340.088"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/484","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for longing for the fire, the next fire. And of course, the fire is all over the next book that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3340.088,3347.127"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/485","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm writing. It's in it's literally everything now, because it's so much so central to everything","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3347.127,3353.047"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/486","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in the way I think, yeah. Well, that's when you know that it's continuing to to inspire","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3353.768,3359.848"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/487","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and spark new things, Michelle. You're, again, another, you're reminding me that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3359.848,3366.807"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/488","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in terms of going back again, and in terms of the origin, like in terms of origins,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3369.528,3376.888"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/489","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"uh, scientific origins, so to speak, you know, the Philippines is an archipelago,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3377.848,3383.528"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/490","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"part of the fire that this lands mountains are, you know, like, it's like that full,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3383.528,3390.247"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/491","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"when I look at it, I know, Hawaii here, you know, and, and then for, for lands to also be born of,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3390.247,3401.448"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/492","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like, that liquid version of fire. 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Oh, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3458.648,3463.047"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/501","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not corny at all, but no, no. If we can't feel how, how on earth could we be writers?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3465.607,3472.888"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/502","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, okay. Look, I want to ask, I'm watching the time a little bit. I want to ask something else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3473.848,3480.727"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/503","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it's a little bit about to me, um, art over history has tried to do hard things,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3480.727,3491.127"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/504","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not necessarily the things that seem easy to, to people in, in any given period.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3492.008,3498.088"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/505","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And right now it feels to me that the hard thing to do is hope. 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Or is it just me?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3518.727,3524.328"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/508","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I, um, I do feel that tension. 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From previous unburnings","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3584.408,3591.528"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/516","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and from previous burnings, you know, and also to know","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3592.328,3597.367"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/517","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like when you described, Michelle, like when you talked about how, like city offers all these other","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3597.937,3603.297"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/518","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ways for fire to burn, you know, if I'm going to talk about the fire of a city, I need to know that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3603.297,3608.657"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/519","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I need to not necessarily know that before I start, but like to say, if I'm going to talk","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3608.657,3612.417"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/520","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about the fire, I need to understand that there's a fire in the city that also carries wood and gas","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3612.417,3618.497"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/521","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and like all these other things that we, that we are, that we're handling. 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You know, the stories themselves have enacted a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3658.336,3664.896"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/528","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"refusal and people have enacted that refusal for generations and generations into like,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3664.896,3671.377"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/529","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"into a kind of hope, you know. I would certainly agree that resilience, um,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3671.377,3678.417"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/530","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is a, is the resilience of the stories is absolutely important and the, um,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3679.137,3685.616"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/531","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the, and, but at the same time, acknowledging the complexity of those stories, there is nothing that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3687.216,3692.656"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/532","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"simplification isn't going to make us feel any happier in the long term. But Michelle,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3692.656,3699.137"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/533","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"were you going to say something there? I think a bit like, I mean, I always, I'm always turning","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3699.137,3703.777"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/534","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"back, especially with fire to, to the teaching from the land in a sense. So, um, I think there","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3703.777,3709.137"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/535","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"can be a lot of false hope out there, hope that simple and easy and will lead us in the wrong","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3709.137,3714.976"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/536","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"direction. And, um, um, I mean, that's all over a grandmother begins a story, but like, if we look","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3714.976,3722.497"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/537","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"at the cones that only open after a fire or the shrubs and plants that only sprout in smoke, you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3722.497,3728.737"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/538","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"have to have smoke for it. So that means that your hope can't mean there's no smoke and there's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3728.737,3735.296"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/539","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"no fire. You avoid the fire. You have to live, you have to live through it. Right. And so much hope","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3735.296,3742.097"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/540","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is about so much of how we understand hope is about taking us away from the fire and the smoke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3742.097,3748.016"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/541","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, and that's, I think what's difficult, um, for all of us. I mean, we all, I mean, if a fire is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3748.016,3754.576"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/542","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"coming, but, and, and I go back to Louis Goulet's story from the late 1800s, when he was a kid and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3754.576,3760.737"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/543","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sitting in a body of water, letting the fire jump over them, because that's how they lived on the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3760.737,3766.416"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/544","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"land. Um, instead of today's way of life, which is to suppress because we can't move. We can't,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3766.416,3772.097"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/545","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we can't deal with that. So that suppression has consequences and, and that's a, that's a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3772.097,3777.776"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/546","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"suppression is a false hope. I guess that is how I put it in. And it means that those cones and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3777.776,3781.936"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/547","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"those shrubs will never, never grow. And, um, yeah, yeah, it's, it's a lot more complicated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3781.936,3788.897"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/548","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I love that. And I love that, um, reminding the way that, and we're also responsible for the way","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3791.617,3799.776"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/549","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we tell our stories, you know? 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Yes. Thank you so much for, you know, and they do that by activating someone's version of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3850.337,3856.977"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/558","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"fear and hope. They make a simple hope, like you said, into an easily wielded weapon. And that's,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3856.977,3864.257"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/559","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that's a real danger. It is. 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So maybe Harry, I'll start with you this time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3931.776,3939.137"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/567","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sure. Um, I rub my eyes at the wake of a song, reach across my journal to quell the alarm,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3941.616,3950.417"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/568","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and now my phone is in my hand and my dreams begin to fade. The online world floods in,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3950.417,3956.977"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/569","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I'm not ready, and I keep scrolling. In another version of the story, my notebook's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3957.936,3964.017"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/570","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on the stove, the only things that burn. You never know when the fire will ask you to be its home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3964.017,3970.977"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/571","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I ask one of my demons, hold me with the precipice of you, gathered under the constellation of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3972.257,3978.176"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/572","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"migration, make the bonfire a laughing thing, like the ritual distance that marks each step.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3978.176,3985.857"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/573","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In another version of the story, I'm a jungle and migration is the undergrowth of me. I say","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3987.537,3993.297"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/574","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"mobilize and it becomes a kind of prayer. I think this might be history's baseline,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=3993.297,3999.616"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/575","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"micro-ether, the forest fires that we're from teeming now as jungle. May the plant who needs","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=4000.336,4008.336"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/576","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the canopy's shade find a branch above. May the one who stretches up find itself a clearing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=4008.336,4016.017"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/577","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You and the deity of what's lost, may you be less overwhelmed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=4016.977,4021.936"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/578","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wonderful. That is beautiful to listen to. Thank you. Michelle, will you take us out?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=4024.097,4030.257"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/579","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you, Hari. That was gorgeous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=4032.176,4033.776"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/580","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Smoke. The kind that's an indicator of a toxic environment or an emotional entanglement that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=4035.697,4041.056"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/581","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"will go bad. There's a spark that might jump across defenses and start the kind of fire I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=4041.056,4046.097"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/582","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"haven't experienced since I was a kid. There is smoke rising, the twist of white in my solar","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=4046.097,4052.336"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/583","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"plexus. The smoke is not out there. Now this is the smell of unease in the home of the body that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=4052.336,4058.417"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/584","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"precedes the breaking of a memory, anticipates a blade opening in the bowels of the self.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=4058.417,4063.297"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/585","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Where is the smoke coming from? Will its source come toward me head this way? 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I know how not to feed a smolder, how to get out of the way of a lick of heat.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=4076.176,4082.257"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/588","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Histories blur and converge in this smoke. I'm reading an oral history-based memoir of my great,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=4083.216,4088.257"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/589","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"great grandfather's brother's life growing up on the plains and he tells of this summer where","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=4088.257,4093.537"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/590","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there are fires everywhere. His name is Louis Goulet. 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Our guess was soon confirmed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=4125.856,4131.936"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/597","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wonderful. That's a stellar way to leave us on the edge at the end of the conversation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=4134.017,4142.096"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/598","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I really want to thank both you, Michelle Porter and Harry Ellury, for being part of this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=4142.976,4149.296"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/599","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"conversation. I wish it could go on all afternoon, but I think perhaps we'd better","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=4149.296,4155.536"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/600","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"let things wrap here. Thank you again and I hope we'll have many more words to share","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=4156.096,4165.536"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/601","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in the months and years to come. I hope so as well. Thank you, Alice, for hosting us and moving us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=4166.096,4172.496"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/602","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I appreciate you both so much. I've learned today and I guess, as an uncle would say, that's a good day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=4173.056,4180.577"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/603","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you. Thank you, Harry. Thank you, Alice. It's been so wonderful to be here and I feel like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=4181.616,4185.536"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/604","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I could sit and chat with you for the evening, telling stories and maybe we'll get in the same room doing that one day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=4185.536,4192.337"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/605","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To when we're sitting around a fire together, having a story with each other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=4195.697,4201.056"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/606","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'll raise that toast too. Thank you all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=4201.616,4205.616"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/607","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You've been listening to a podcast produced by the Centre for Literatures in Canada,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577#t=4210.736,4215.217"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/121457/file/226577/transcript/78869/annotation/608","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with editing assistance from Claire Peters and music by Bruce Ziff. 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