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Thank you so much for coming today. As you can see I've got a bit of a cold, so I'm","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292#t=0.0,11.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292/transcript/78906/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very glad we have this microphone. There we go. What I might do is just talk, do a combination","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292#t=11.0,20.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292/transcript/78906/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of talking and reading for half an hour, and then just open it up. I kind of like this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292#t=20.0,25.6"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292/transcript/78906/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to be a conversation more than anything. Is the sound okay? Do I need to be louder? Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292#t=25.6,31.6"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292/transcript/78906/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"perfect. Okay. I'm going to start off actually with a piece of nonfiction. As you may know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292#t=31.6,38.599"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292/transcript/78906/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the book deals with pivots between two important social movements in China. One is the 1966","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292#t=38.599,51.599"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292/transcript/78906/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Cultural Revolution, and one is the 1989 student demonstrations in Tiananmen Square.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292#t=51.599,57.599"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292/transcript/78906/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Both revolutionary in tone and wanting to change the world for the better, but employing","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292#t=57.599,64.599"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292/transcript/78906/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very different mechanisms. I'll come back to this when I talk. I'll start with the 1989","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292#t=64.599,71.599"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292/transcript/78906/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"demonstrations. I want to read a piece I wrote about Ding Zhilin. This was for a piece, a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292#t=71.599,77.599"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292/transcript/78906/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"book that was published by the Nobel Women's Initiative, which is an organization of the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292#t=77.599,81.599"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292/transcript/78906/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nobel Peace Prize. We'll just jump in partway through this essay. What's basically happened","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292#t=81.599,87.599"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292/transcript/78906/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is it's 1989. Ding Zhilin is a professor. She has a son. A reformist politician in China","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292#t=87.599,99.599"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292/transcript/78906/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"has died. During his funeral, students have filled Tiananmen Square. This is a common","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292#t=99.599,106.599"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292/transcript/78906/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"thing in China, that acts of public mourning become windows for people to mourn other events","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292#t=106.599,113.599"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292/transcript/78906/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in China's history. Official mourning becomes a place of unofficial mourning. 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Her son, Zhilian, still in high school, was among them. He carried","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292#t=164.6,170.6"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292/transcript/78906/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a banner in support of the students. Even if you fall, we will still be here. Around","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292#t=170.6,176.6"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/186292/transcript/78906/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"him, Chinese citizens voiced desires that had been suppressed for decades. 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Thank you so much for coming today.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281#t=154.0,158.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281/transcript/78908/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As you can see, I've got a bit of a cold,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281#t=158.0,161.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281/transcript/78908/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so I'm very glad we have this microphone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281#t=161.0,164.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281/transcript/78908/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There we go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281#t=166.0,167.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281/transcript/78908/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And what I might do is just talk, do a combination of talking and reading for half an hour,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281#t=167.0,173.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281/transcript/78908/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and then just open it up, because I kind of like this to be a conversation more than anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281#t=173.0,179.0"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281/transcript/78908/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is the sound okay? Do I need to be louder? Okay, perfect. 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time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281#t=2638.02,2640.02"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281/transcript/78908/annotation/678","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Should 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is maybe like a follow up question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281#t=2647.02,2649.02"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281/transcript/78908/annotation/682","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It probably won't be very well worded.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281#t=2649.02,2651.02"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281/transcript/78908/annotation/683","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But when you talked about how the Chinese government thought that they had to eradicate the history.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281#t=2651.02,2661.02"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281/transcript/78908/annotation/684","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So do you think very much about, you know, history and the future and the tension between the two?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281#t=2661.02,2671.02"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281/transcript/78908/annotation/685","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, I mean, nowadays, even in our society here in Canada, are we, are we anti-history 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And I, you know, this book has Chinese language and English language and in a funny way it's trying to put, see if it's possible that a Chinese conceptual landscape can be entered, can be expressed through the English language. And that's why it kind of moves between the two languages in different ways. But one of the differences in the languages that always strikes me is the relation to past and future.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281#t=2699.03,2729.03"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281/transcript/78908/annotation/694","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in Chinese, see I have to think it through. Okay. So the day, the day after tomorrow is the day behind. Okay. And the day before yesterday is the day ahead. Got it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281#t=2730.03,2738.03"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281/transcript/78908/annotation/695","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So it's very much like Walter Benjamin's Angel of History. So you have the angel with his back to the future, and all he can see is history accumulating in front of him. This is the way the Chinese face it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281#t=2738.03,2762.03"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281/transcript/78908/annotation/696","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yesterday is what is in front of us, and we have our backs to the future, and we're being blown backwards into the future. And it makes sense, even though when I try to translate it, it hurts my head.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281#t=2762.03,2778.03"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281/transcript/78908/annotation/697","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because English is very much formulated on the idea that we are facing the future, and the past is behind us. And I think that actually is a very substantial difference in the way that we in the West think about history, and our capacities for change, our capabilities for change.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281#t=2778.03,2797.03"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281/transcript/78908/annotation/698","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the Chinese one, which is very conscious of history. Even now, even today in China, they're very conscious of where revolution will arise. They're very conscious of every economic downturn, because they know revolution is primarily an economic response.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281#t=2797.03,2814.03"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281/transcript/78908/annotation/699","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Revolution has been a response to an economic condition. And even now, they have reutilized mechanisms of the Cultural Revolution. So political dissidents in China are still brought on television to publicly confess and to be publicly shamed. 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I remember crying a lot with dogs at the primary with this one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281#t=2863.03,2891.03"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281/transcript/78908/annotation/703","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's such a weird feeling, and it sneaks up on you. For me, it always sneaks up on me that I've gotten to the end, and I didn't expect it. And it's a moment when you realize that, you know, I'm still going to do ten more drafts, so it's not over, but getting to the end for the first time is something that is very, it's an incredible feeling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281#t=2891.03,2910.03"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281/transcript/78908/annotation/704","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's also that you know that this is the beginning in which you and the characters are soon to go on divergent paths. So there's a letting go, too, even though you're going to go back, and many things will happen. 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That's primarily what I was reading, because we had over a thousand submissions, and I wanted to read every single one. So that was what I was reading, and it was very exciting, but hard. And I'm also reading Doris Lessing's The Golden Notebook.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281#t=2961.03,2980.03"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281/transcript/78908/annotation/707","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I'm almost finished. Wow, this book. Is there anything like this book? I think it was a return to me of thinking about feminism. 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Actually, I haven't finished your book, but I'm reading it. I could say myself, it's a witness to me. Like, 1989, I was working at B\u0026U as a librarian over there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281#t=3004.03,3020.03"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281/transcript/78908/annotation/711","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was young back then, and working in the library, I saw all the students. Myself was one of the students, you know, like, among the other staff in Beijing Normal University, walking towards Tiananmen Square and see all the things that happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281#t=3020.03,3044.03"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281/transcript/78908/annotation/712","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And at that time, you know, the ordinary Beijing people, they are very quietly and support the students and support whoever were in Tiananmen Square.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281#t=3044.03,3058.03"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281/transcript/78908/annotation/713","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was so touching. 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coming.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281#t=3581.03,3582.03"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281/transcript/78908/annotation/754","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I really appreciate it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281#t=3582.03,3583.03"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/89485/file/185281/transcript/78908/annotation/755","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, thank you so 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