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Diaries, journals,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2179.1,2190.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/467","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that kind of thing. So I was certainly one of those teenagers, which is strange, because I was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2190.1,2197.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/468","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a late reader. I mean, I knew how to read, but reading wasn't something I spent a lot of my time","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2197.1,2204.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/469","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"doing until I was 16 or 17, really. But prior to that, I was scribbling in private, private thoughts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2204.1,2216.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/470","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I didn't know what poetry was. I certainly knew, I think many of us come to pop music,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2216.1,2223.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/471","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like pop music lyrics, that mean a lot to us when we're 13, 14. So I was aware of that form, but I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2223.1,2231.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/472","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"don't think I was reading any poetry. I did not grow up in a literary household. So I was scribbling","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2231.1,2239.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/473","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"when I was very young, but I didn't become aware of what poetry was. Certainly not such a thing as","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2239.1,2244.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/474","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"modern or contemporary poetry until late in high school, actually. So I just started somewhere around","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2244.1,2254.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/475","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"14, didn't know what it was until 17 or 18, and then didn't really grow out of it. Kind of fell in love","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2254.1,2263.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/476","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with it. Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2263.1,2268.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/477","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's a bit more of a random question, but there seems to be a conversation between your work and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2268.1,2274.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/478","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"your writing, and I'm wondering if you could comment on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2274.1,2280.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/479","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's creepy, eh? It's creepy to us, too, actually. Yeah, there's just been too many times where,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2280.1,2292.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/480","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because we do share our work with each other. I have a couple of close friends. David O'Mara is another","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2292.1,2298.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/481","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"brilliant poet in Ottawa, and Karen is the other. And so we do see each other's work, and there's just been","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2298.1,2306.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/482","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"too many times when very close in time, and then when the poems kind of cross paths. She has a poem called","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2306.1,2317.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/483","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tractor, and I have a poem called Tractor. So it's like we share a literary imagination. The things that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2317.1,2326.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/484","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"obsess us or disturb us are just so close together as to be unnerving at times. But also, it's just purely out of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2326.1,2337.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/485","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a deep kind of awe and admiration for her ear and her mastery over syntax. So we became close very early on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2337.1,2350.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/486","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Her first book was coming out, and my first book was out. We became very close then, and it's just stayed that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2350.1,2357.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/487","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think we're, I shouldn't say we, I should say I am exceptionally lucky to have a kind of a twin. It's not the same,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2357.1,2370.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/488","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because I do have other writers, and we have discussions about poetry, but it's talking to someone who has their","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2370.1,2379.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/489","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"own very distinct aesthetic, and you're talking across each other's aesthetic. But with Karen, it's like turning your own","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2379.1,2390.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/490","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"inner, the person that you talk to in your head actually becomes incarnate in the world, yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2390.1,2400.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/491","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So it's, yeah, it's very, yeah, it's creepy, but I'm incredibly fortunate to have someone so talented to share a brain with","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2401.1,2412.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/492","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"or something. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2412.1,2419.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/493","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I have to buy these. Do you mean my books? Do you mean my books? Yeah, so when you sign a contract, yeah, this is bats.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2419.1,2439.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/494","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No one ever thinks about this when they're becoming an artist, but then when you sign your first contract, and you're like,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2439.1,2445.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/495","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"what is this? It's a contract. Let me sign it. But then you find out what it is, what you're actually doing is selling your work,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2445.1,2454.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/496","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"usually for nothing. You are selling your work to the publisher. They now own it, yeah? I mean, what they own are the books.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2454.1,2462.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/497","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They own the books. And so if I want, they give you some, when they do the first print run, they give you, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2462.1,2471.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/498","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"50, 100, 200, depends on how generous they are, but they'll give you some free copies at the beginning, but then after that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2471.1,2477.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/499","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you have to buy your books from them at an author discount, which is about 50%, so that's a nice, yeah, it's a nice percentage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2477.1,2487.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/500","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you're, in effect, buying back your own work. Exactly, yeah. But then selling it on to you at a markup,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2487.1,2495.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/501","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I wouldn't be able to send you, or sell you sheaths of paper, or, you know what I mean? So they help me make a thing that I can convince people to,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2496.1,2506.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/502","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"convince people to buy. It's all about commodities, you know what I mean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2506.1,2517.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/503","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I just wanted to bounce back on something you mentioned at the beginning, and you talked about Canadian poetry as being conservative.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2517.1,2531.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/504","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, yeah, I said there was a sell. There's a particular, yeah, a very conservative streak in what's going on right now, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2531.1,2543.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/505","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right, I was wondering if you could talk a little bit more about that, and also either, either in relation or in contrast.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2544.1,2558.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/506","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is that the School of Dentistry?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2558.1,2560.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/507","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's the School of Dentistry, that's right. And your own work, which seems to have a nice repertoire with a high audience as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2561.1,2570.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/508","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You've talked about Stevens, you've talked about Auden, and so how do you, where do you situate yourself in this panorama?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2570.1,2579.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/509","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, the easiest way to talk about this is what I would call conservative are particular critics and poets who display a reaction to North American poetry","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2580.1,2598.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/510","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"through the 70s and 80s that is the equivalent to a kind of violent, allergic reaction, yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2598.1,2607.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/511","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Like you say language poetry or say continental philosophy, and they go into a cataleptic shock, and they need an EpiPen, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2607.1,2622.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/512","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because it was difficult, aesthetically, philosophically, politically, like all things, like philosophy, like art, they all came to a, at different times,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2623.1,2640.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/513","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but they came to a kind of a stranglehold where paralysis was threatening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2640.1,2644.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/514","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, after language poetry and some American avant-garde, it seemed as though the game had been shot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2645.1,2653.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/515","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was over. There was no viable way forward that had any intellectual integrity to it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2653.1,2659.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/516","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But then, a kind of hybridity came out of it, and some of the best contemporary work has learned very valuable lessons","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2659.1,2669.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/517","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"from what used, from poetries that had identified as avant-garde and very oppositional and radical, et cetera.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2669.1,2678.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/518","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So there's a kind of a hybridity. It gets, there's a lot to learn from it, and it gets sort of folded in,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2678.1,2685.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/519","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and it's an ongoing struggle to find a way of keeping things moving in a direction that has some integrity and some excitement and some intellectual heft.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2685.1,2699.1"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/520","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so, yeah, the conservatism I'm referring to is simply they seem to long for poetry to go back to a, not premodern, but back to high modern that even had wiped out its own","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2699.11,2727.11"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/521","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"glimmerings of the postmodern. It's like all conservatism, there wasn't a golden age to go to, they just want to revert back to a golden age that doesn't exist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2727.11,2740.11"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/522","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Where lucidity, clarity, craftsmanship are the only thing that's going on in verse, and not only that, but a few powerful white male critics get to tell you which poems display those qualities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2740.11,2760.11"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/523","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that's it, that's the sum of poetry to them. It will never go anywhere, it's just a lyric about a monarch butterfly on a branch, it can't do anything or be anything else, it is what it is, and it's so impeccably made that we should bow to the guy in the bow tie who wrote it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2760.11,2785.11"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/524","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know? The white guy in the bow tie who wrote it. And they are headed for oblivion, yeah. The guys in bow ties. Yeah. Oh, the butterflies are headed for oblivion too, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2785.11,2813.11"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/525","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2813.11,2816.11"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/526","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, no, it's such a good, I mean, I'm stalling because it's something that I've never figured out for myself in any healthy way, yeah? I remember going through a phase only recently, like, a phase, sounds like, yeah, I went through a phase, I wanted a scooter, and I wanted a car.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2843.11,2872.11"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/527","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I was thinking about the absence of politics, the absence of engagement. You know, I was reading, I was falling in love with a couple of new poets that I hadn't known in the States before, and at the same time trying to chew on Adorno again to see if I could understand, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2873.11,2894.11"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/528","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And was feeling a deep sense of insufficiency in my own work, that I was afraid of all that. But then I had friends say very pointedly and directly, but that's ridiculous. Your work is deeply political, just not in the same way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2895.11,2913.11"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/529","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Like, yes, you don't display theory, but neither do you have a very expensive East Coast education from Yale, you know? And I remember, and I thought of this interview with Jameson that I read, Frederick Jameson, and he was talking about the impotence of left theory on campus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2913.11,2936.11"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/530","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he was saying, likely what's needed now is a crude leftist, a crude leftism. And I was like, yes! Yay, that's me. Yeah, because I didn't go to school and stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2937.11,2950.11"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/531","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So crude left, just meaning like, act on your guts and do what's necessary out there in the streets. Do you know what I mean? And stop chewing your nails over whether or not there are enough references to Gramsci or something in the poems, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2950.11,2973.11"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/532","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because the poems, I've always believed, but I get anxious about whether or not this itself is a mistake, is a kind of a cop-out. But I've always believed that the pause, the kind of pausing in time that reading demands, the kind of internal resonance or dialectic that happens with yourself reading, is a political thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=2973.11,3002.11"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/533","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You cannot have a political polis, body politic, without it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=3003.11,3010.11"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/534","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And even just little things happen. When Ole Soyinka was asked the same question, should poets in the West be more political, and he himself said, it's a political act to write anything at all, and it's the kind of freedom everyone wants to have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=3011.11,3035.11"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/535","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So to not exercise it at all. So you see what I'm saying? I think he certainly wants writers to have political consciousness and act accordingly and put pressure where pressure is needed, but he was saying that millions of people in the world want the freedom and material conditions that allow for the time to contemplate and make art.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=3035.11,3062.11"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/536","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So if Soyinka says it's okay, I'm like, all right, I'll write a lyric. But certainly the worse things get, the more you can't, the smaller the window is for that kind of disengagement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=3065.11,3084.11"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/537","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=3084.11,3112.11"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/538","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, thank you very much for coming.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=3112.11,3113.11"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/539","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you all very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=3113.11,3114.11"},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/540","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And stick around if you want your book signed or you're interested in looking at the books for sale. Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278#t=3114.11,3120.11"}]},{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://ualberta.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1823/collection_resources/90060/file/186278/transcript/78916/annotation/541","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/078/916/original/whisper_transcript_2025-04-25_17_00_41_-0500.vtt?1745618441","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/078/916/original/whisper_transcript_2025-04-25_17_00_41_-0500.vtt?1745618441"}]}]}]}